The following is a partial transcript of a radio talk show that
occurred 5/6/95 on WOL-AM in Washington D.C. which is simulcast on
WOLB-AM in Baltimore, Maryland. The show was called "UFOs Saturday
Night". The guests on that date were Stanley McDaniel, author of the
McDaniel Report, Erol Torun, a cartographer who provided valuable
information for Richard Hoagland in preparing his book, "The Monuments
Of Mars". Also on the program was Keith Morgan, Dan Drazon and
Donna Tietze, a former employee of NASA in Houston, Texas.
The transcript was transcribed by Donald Ratsch from an audio recording of
the show.
Elaine Douglass: This is Elaine Douglass, WOL News-talk Network, our
show is UFOS Saturday night and here in the studio with Keith Morgan
and our topic is the Face on Mars. We have a new guest on the air with
us, Donna Tietze.
Donna, you are also with three scientists who are on
the air with us and that would be Stan McDaniels from California, Erol
Torun from the east coast and Dan Drazon who is in Colorado. The reason
that I asked Donna to come on the show, Donna is in Houston, Texas and
kind enough to join us tonight to tell us some very interesting things
she observed while working at NASA. Donna is an educator and she is
working on her Masters in Education. In the past Donna, as I
understand it you held a position for 15 years with a contractor at the
NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston. You were a photo tecnician?
Donna Tietz: Correct!
E.D.: Donna welcome to UFOs Saturday night. Tell me and tell
everyone the incident that you recall as they say in the law court, did
there came a time when you walked into a photo lab and someone told you
something quite astounding? What happened that day?
D.T.: Yes Elaine, thats true. During the Appollo mission I worked
at NASA throughout those Apollo mission and I did leave NASA at the time
the space shuttles began. I worked in building 8 in the photo lab. I
had a secret clearance so I thought I could go anywhere in the
building. And I did go into one area that was a restricted area. In
this area they developed pictures taken from satellite and also all of
the missions, the Apollo missions, flight mission. I went in and I was
talking to one of the photographers and developers and he was putting
together a mosaic which is a lot of photos, smaller photos into a
larger photo pattern. And while I was in there I was trying to learn
new methods and new things about the whole organization and I was
looking at the pictures and he directed my attention to one area, he
said, "Look at that!" I looked and there was a round oval shaped, well
it was very white circular shape of a dot and I, it was black & white
photography, so I asked him if that was a spot on the emulsion and he
said, well I can't tell you but spots on the emulsion do not leave
round circles of shadows.
E.D.: So there was a shadow on the ground?
D.T.: Right, a round shadow! And I notice that there were pine trees,
now I don't know where this area was or what, you know, pretty close to
the ground what I saw but I did'nt see outline of the continent. But I
did notice that there was a shadow under this white dot and I also
noticed that the trees were casting the shadow in the same direction as
this shadow of the circle of this aerial phenomena because it was
higher than the trees but not too much higher than the trees but it was
close to the ground and it was spherical but slightly elongated, not
very much but slightly. I then said, is it a UFO? And he said, well I
can't tell you. And then I asked him, what are you going to do with
this piece of information? And he said, well we have to airbrush these
things out before we sell these photographs to the public. So I
realized at that point that there is a procedure setup to take care of
this type of information from the public.
E.D.: Isn't that remarkable gentlemen?
Stan McDaniels: Elaine, I was unable to really hear very much of that.
E.D.: Oh really?
SmcD: I did catch air brush it out.
E.D.: Alright, Stan can you hear this station break coming up?
SmcD: Uh sure.
E.D.: So alright, we are going into that, we'll be back in just a
couple of minutes.
BREAK
E.D.: Erol Toron, you are here?
E.T.: I'm still here
E.D.: Alright fine, Stan you said you could not hear the account that
Donna gave?
SmcD: Not very well.
E.D.: Alright, Keith would you like to recapitulate what Donna said?
Keith Morgan: Stan, what she said was that she was in the photo lab at
NASA and that she was looking at some photos and one showed an
elliptical object, white object that was casting a shadow on the ground
above some trees and the technician in there, she asked him if it was a
UFO? he said I can't tell you. She said what are you going to do with
this kind of information? He said well that is the kind of stuff that
we airbrush out.
SmcD: Oh I see, thanks for that!
E.D.: So Donna thats approximately, essentially correct what you said,
right?
D.T.: Right
E.D.: Yes well I, Stan I think thats quite startling, don't you?
Smcd: Its speaks for itself.
E.D.: Yes it certainly does, now Donna there is another matter that
you learned about when you were there at NASA. I believe this was
through a third party, a person that you were spending some time with
who was a fellow NASA employee?
D.T.: Right, in fact after we talked, I thought about another incident
with a guard that I would like to convey too thats very important.
This man that I had dated was in quarantine with the astronauts when
they had come back from the moon and I had talked to him about seeing
this saucer (satellite photos) and asked him if he had heard anything
about that and he told me that every astronaut, every moon trip had
been followed by craft, by saucers, that every one of them, every
astronaut that went to the moon, now I don't know about other sites but
they all had seen it and all had seen it and all had been told to keep
quiet about it and they were threatened with jail and their whole
retirement, everything taken away from them. They were also, this man
told me that if I ever told that he said it, that he would deny it,
that he would never admit that he told me all of that.
E.D.: Did you hear that Stan?
SmcD: No
E.D.: Alright, ah, go ahead Keith, recapitulate.
(Keith repeats everything of that part that Donna Tietze stated, to McDaniel)
SmcD: Oh yes I see
E.D.: Yes and I believe that Donna you related to me, your friend came
to believe that the UFOs were instrumental in getting Apollo 13 that
was, ah our disabled mission to the moon, was it 13?
D.T.: Right, well he said that it shouldn't have come back, I mean,
there was no, ah, they had help. And thats was all he would say.
E.D.: All he would say?
D.T.: He said it was impossible for that craft to have gotten back
home.
Dan Drazon: Donna you said that there was another matter that
you wanted to relate to us.
D.T.: Yes something that I didn't talk to you about earlier. When I
had quit work, I had an office, I was doing illustration work at
another office, in another part of town. And a man that had been a
guard at NASA during the time that we are talking about now, he also
was a guard at (static-inaudible). He came into my office and he had a
large gash scar on his forehead and he told me that he was a guard at
NASA and that he was burning a lot of photographs of UFOs. That was
his job.
E.D.: Really! (surprised)
D.T.: And he said he stopped to look at one too long and one of the
other, I gathered it was some type of military man, hit him in the head
with a gun butt and knocked him out.
E.D.: What? (shocked)
D.T.: Because he had looked at one of the photographs too long, he did
describe the photograph to me which I tend to believe was an accurate
photograph.
E.D.: Oh, my god!
D.T.: He explained that it was a craft on the ground and it looked
like, it was like a regular saucer with like little bumps all over it
and he said it was like it was burnt. He said cows in the field all
had their tails stuck straight up. At the time he said he didn't know
when cattle were frightened, that their tails would stick straight up.
And he described this to me and since then, I did describe it to
someone that I thought might have looked at some of these photos,
possibly and they did look kind of frightened that I shouldn't know
about that one.
(the next several minutes later the conversation is more about UFOs
following Apollo crafts to the moon)
E.D.: The second part of her account had to do with the stalking of
our space missions by UFOs of our space missions to the moon and so on.
She even said that they apparently helped in one case by bringing the
Apollo 13 back, that was the impression that she got and..
D.T.: Yes but they (aliens) also didn't want that craft to investigate
the part of the moon that they was going to, so they may have caused
some of it too, but it was supposed, we were told not to go but we
ignored it. Now thats what I've heard, that's some of the stuff he was
telling me.
E.D.: Did he say that, your direct contact?
D.T.: Yes!
E.D.: That the United States was told not to go to the moon?
D.T.: To that certain place on the back side of the moon.
E.D.: And did he know why we weren't supposed to go there?
D.T.: I guess they didn't want us to see something back there, I don't
know, I don't know that part.
(interview winds down a few minutes later and the show is out of time)
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